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xix CONTENTS PAGES E. Note submitted to the Indian Franchise Committee (Lothian Committee) on 1st May 1932. 491 PART III Dr. Ambedkar at the Round Table Conferences 1 In the Plenary Session — 5th sitting . . . . . . . . . 20-11-1930 503 2 Committee of the Whole Conference — Comments on the Interim Report of Sub-Committee No. I (Federal Structure). . . . . . . 16-12-1930 510 3 In Sub-Committee No. II (Provincial Constitution) — 1st sitting . . . . . . . . . 4-12-1930 512 3rd sitting . . . . . . . . . 8-12-1930 516 4th sitting . . . . . . . . . 9-12-1930 517 5th sitting . . . . . . . . . 15-12-1930 524 Committee of the Whole Conference— Comments on the Report of Sub-Committee No. II 16-12-1930 527 4 In Sub-Committee No. III (Minorities)— 2nd sitting . . . . . . . . . 31-12-1930 528 5th sitting . . . . . . . . . 14-1-1931 534 6th sitting . . . . . . . . . 16-1-1931 535 Appendix I—A scheme of political safeguards for the protection of the Depressed Classes in the furture constitution of a self-governing India— A memorandum by Dr. Ambedkar and Rao Bahadur R. Srinivasan. Appendix to Sub-Committee’s Report 546 Appendix II—Relevant paragraphs of the Report of Sub-Committee No. III related to the Depressed Classes approved by the Committee of the Whole Conference. 19-1-1931 554 5 In Sub-Committee No. VI (Franchise)— 2nd sitting . . . . . . . . . 22-12-1930 557 3rd sitting . . . . . . . . . 30-12-1930 568 4th sitting . . . . . . . . . 1-1-1931 571 Committee of the Whole Conference— Summary of the Report of Sub-Commitee No. VI 16-1-1931 576 6 Committee of the Whole Conference— Comments on the Report of Sub-Committee No. VII 16-1-1931 579 (Defence). 7 In Sub-Committee No. VIII (Services)— 2nd sitting . . . . . . . . . 7-1-1931 581 3rd sitting . . . . . . . . . 8-1-1931 584 4th sitting . . . . . . . . . 9-1-1931 590 5th sitting . . . . . . . . . 12-1-1931 592 6th sitting . . . . . . . . . 13-1-1931 593 8 In the Plenary Session (General Review)— 8th sitting . . . . . . . . . 19-1-1930 596

xx CONTENTS 9 In the Federal Structure Committee— PAGES 23rd sitting . . . . . . . . . 16-9-1931 600 25th sitting . . . . . . . . . 18-9-1931 612 26th sitting . . . . . . . . . 21-9-1931 615 28th sitting . . . . . . . . . 23-9-1931 622 30th sitting . . . . . . . . . 25-9-1931 624 34th sitting . . . . . . . . . 14-10-1931 624 35th sitting . . . . . . . . . 15-10-1931 630 38th sitting . . . . . . . . . 22-10-1931 635 44th sitting . . . . . . . . . 2-11-1931 648 45th sitting . . . . . . . . . 4-11-1931 650 46th sitting . . . . . . . . . 16-11-1931 650 10 In the Minorities Committee— 7th sitting . . . . . . . . . 28-9-1931 652 8th sitting . . . . . . . . . 1-10-1931 654 9th sitting . . . . . . . . . 8-10-1931 659 Appendix I — Claims of Minority Communities— Joint Memorandum. 664 Appendix II — Supplementary Memorandum by Dr. Ambedkar and Rao Bahadur R. Srinivasan. 669 11 Evidence before Joint Committee on Indian Constitutional Reform— Witnesses examined by Dr. Ambedkar— (1) Sir Patrick James Fagan and others . . . . . . 13-6-1933 673 (2) Mr. Sachchidananda Sinha . . . . . . 22-6-1933 675 (3) Mir Maqbool Mahmood and others . . . . . . 27-6-1933 679 (4) Sir Michael O’dwyer . . . . . . 29-6-1933 685 (5) Mr. F. E. James and others . . . . . . 4-7-1933 688 (6) Sir John Perronet Thompson and others . . . 6-7-1933 690 (7) Sir Charles Innes . . . . . . 6-7-1933 691 (8) Sir Edward Benthall and others . . . . . . 13-7-1933 692 (9) Lady Layton and others . . . . . . 26-7-1933 696 (10) Rajkumari Amrit Kaur and Mrs. Hamid Ali . . . 29-7-1933 698 (11) Mrs. P. K. Sen and Mrs. L. Mukerji . . . . . . 29-7-1933 704 (12) Discussion on Poona Pact . . . . . . 31-7-1933 707 (13) Dr. B. S. Moonje and others . . . . . . 31-7-1933 714 (14) Mr. M. K. Acharya and others . . . . . . 2-8-1933 730 (15) Lieut. Col. C. E. Bruce and others . . . . . . 6-10-1933 736 (16) Wing Commander A. W. H. James and Dr. J. H. Hutton. . . . . . . 16-10-1933 736 (17) Right Hon. Sir Winston Churchill . . . 24-10-1933 and 25-10-1933 742 (18) Lieut. Col. Sir Henry Gidney . . . . . . 10-11-1933 746 (19) Mr. J. C. French and Mr. S. H. Mills . . . . . . 13-11-1933 747 (20) Right Hon. Sir Samuel Hoare and others . . . . . . July, October and November 1933 748 INDEX . . . . . . . . . . . . 793 DISCOUNT POLICY ON SALE OF VOLUMES

PART I Dr. Ambedkar in the Bombay Legislature

*B.L.C. Debates, Vol. XIX, pp. 164-68, dated 24th February 1927. †Dr. Ambedkar was sworn in as a nominated Member of the Bombay Legislative Council on Friday the 18th February 1927. 1 *ON BUDGET : 1 †Dr. B.R. Ambedkar : Mr. President, the budget discussion has gone on for a long period, and I feel that all that could have been said has already been said. It would therefore have been better for a new member like me to keep silent But I feel that there is a point of view, which has not yet been placed before this House, and as I represent that point of view, I think it is my duty to give expression to it. Mr. President, when one begins to criticise the budget, one is at the outset overcome with a feeling of helplessness. For the range of effective criticism is indeed very small. The total estimated expenditure as given in this budget is something like 36 per cent. The total estimated revenue of this presidency is 15½ crores, and out of this about 9½ crores is being levied by the Executive without the consent of this Council. I refer to the land revenue and excise revenue. So taking both the expenditure and revenue into consideration, I think it is fair to say that the criticism which one has to make is indeed very limited, because the Council can only deal with 64 per cent of the expenditure and 40 per cent of the revenue. But taking the things as they are, Mr. President, I proceed to offer such remarks as I am capable of making. Commencing with the revenue side of the budget, I wish to deal with it, in the first place, from the standpoint of the Honourable the Finance Member, and secondly, from the standpoint of the taxpayers. The Honourable the Finance Member will agree with me when I say that the first and most essential requirement of a good revenue system is that it should be reliable. It does not matter whether that revenue system brings in large revenue or small revenue. But whatever it brings, it ought to be certain in its yield. Judging the revenue side from this standpoint, I find that the land revenue, which is the largest item in the budget, is capable of a variation of something like 50 lakhs. If you take “Excise”, the second largest source of revenue, you find that since the inception of the Reforms, it has shown a variation of 73 lakhs. I, therefore, invite the attention of my friend, the Honourable the Finance Member, to consider the consequences