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In the Bombay Legislature, with the Simon Commission and at the Round Table Conferences
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by touch apply in every Province, altough not with the same rigidity
everywhere. But to insist on absolute uniformity in a system like that of
untouchability which after all is a matter of social behaviour and which
must therefore vary with the circumstances of each Province and also of each
individual is simply to trifle with the problem. The Statutory Commission was
quite alive to this possible line of argument and after careful consideration
rejected it by recognizing the principle of diversity in the application of tests
of untouchability. On page 67 of Vol. II which contains its recommendations
it observed : “It will plainly be necessary, after the main principles of the
new system of representation have been settled, to entrust to some specially
appointed body (like the former Franchise Committee) the task of drawing up
fresh electoral rules to carry these principles into effect, and one of the tasks
of such a body will be to frame for each province a definition of ‘depressed
classes’ (which may well vary, sometimes even between parts of the same
province), and to determine their numbers as so defined.” Another point
which I wish to emphasize is the futility of insisting upon the application of
uniform tests of untouchability all over India. It is a fundamental mistake
to suppose that differences in tests of untouchability indicate differences
in the conditions of the untouchables. On a correct analysis of the mental
attitude they indicate, it will be found that whether the test is causing
pollution by touch or refusal to use common well, the notion underlying both
is one and the same. Both are outward registers of the same inward feeling
of defilement, odium, aversion and contempt. Why will not a Hindu touch
an untouchable ? Why will not a Hindu allow an untouchable to enter the
temple or use the village well ? Why will not a Hindu admit an untouchable
in the inn ? The answer to each one of these questions is the same. It is that
the untouchable is an unclean person not fit for social intercourse. Again,
why will not a Brahmin priest officiate at religious ceremonies performed
by an untouchable ? Why will not a barber serve an untouchable ? In these
cases also the answer is the same. It is that it is below dignity to do so. If
our aim is to demarcate the class of people who suffer from social odium
then it matters very little which test we apply. For as I have pointed out
each of these tests is indicative of the same social attitude on the part of
the touchables towards the untouchables.
3. In the second place the view is put forth that in applying the test of
“causing pollution by touch” for ascertaining the untouchable classes effect
must be given to it in its literal sense—and not in its notional sense. In
the literal sense untouchables are only those persons whose touch not only
causes pollution and is therefore avoided, or if not avoided is washed off
by purification. In the notional sense an untouchable is a person who is
deemed to belong to a class which is commonly held to cause pollution by
touch, although contact with such a person may for local circumstances
not be avoided or may not necessitate ceremonial purification. According to
those who seek to apply the test in its literal sense the conclusion would be
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the so-called untouchables should cease to be reckoned as untouchables
wherever conditions have so changed that people do not avoid the touch of
an untouchable, or do not trouble to purify themselves of the pollution caused
by their touch. I cannot accept this view which, in my opinion is based on a
misconception. An individual may not be treated as an untouchable in the
literal sense of the term on account of various circumstances. None the less
outside the scope of such compelling circumstances he does continue to be
regarded as an impure person by reason of his belonging to the untouchable
class. This distinction is well brought out by the Census Superintendent of
Bihar and Orissa in his Census Report of 1921 from which the following is
an extract. Speaking of the relaxation of caste rules he says : “Such incidents
however which we have only noticed amongst the upper and more educated
castes that are aspiring to the upper ranks, are to be regarded not as sign
portending the collapse of the caste system, but of its adjustment to modern
conditions. The same may be said with regard to modifications of the rules
about personal contact or the touching of what is eaten or drunk....... In
places like Jamshedpur where work is done under modern conditions men
of all castes and races work side by side in the mill without any misgivings
regarding the caste of their neighbours. But, because the facts of everyday
life make it impossible to follow the same practical rules as were followed
a hundred years ago, it is not to be supposed that the distinctions of pure
and impure, touchable and untouchable are no longer observed. A high caste
Hindu will not allow an ‘untouchable’ to sit on the same seat, to smoke the
same hookah or to touch his person, his seat, his food or the water that he
drinks.” If this is a correct statement of the facts of life then the difference
between untouchability in its literal and notional sense is a distinction which
makes no difference to the ultimate situation ; for as the extract shows
untouchability in its notional sense persists even where untouchability in
its literal sense has ceased to obtain. This is why I insist that the test of
untouchability must be applied in its notional sense.
4. In the third place the idea is broadcast that untouchability is rapidly
vanishing. I wish to utter a word of caution against the acceptance of this
view, and to point out the necessity of distinguishing facts from propaganda.
In my opinion what is important to be borne in mind in drawing inference
from instances showing the occasional conuningling of Brahmins and nonBrahmins, touchables and untouchables is that the system of caste and the
system of untouchability form really the steel frame of Hindu society. This
division cannot easily be wiped out for the simple reason that it is not based
upon rational, economic or racial grounds. On the other hand, the chances are
that untouchability will endure far longer into the future than the optimist
reformer is likely to admit on account of the fact that it is based on religious
dogma. What makes it so difficult, to break the system of untouchability is
the religious sanction which it has behind it. At any rate the ordinary Hindu
looks upon it as part of his religion and there is no doubt that in adopting
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towards untouchables in what is deemed to be an inhuman way of behaviour
he does so more from the sense of observing his religion than from any motive
of deliberate cruelty. Based on religion the ordinary Hindu only relaxes the
rules of untouchability where he cannot observe them. He never abandons
them. For abandonment of untouchability to him involves a total abandonment
of the basic religious tenets of Hinduism as understood by him and the
mass of Hindus. Based on religion untouchability will persist as all religious
notions have done. Indian history records the attempts of many a Mahatma
to uproot untouchability from the Indian soil. They include such great men
as Buddha, Ramanuja and the Vaishnava saints of modern times. It would
be hazardous to assume that a system which has withstood all this onslaught
will collapse. The Hindu looks upon the observance of untouchability as an
act of religious merit, and non-observance of it as sin. My view therefore is
that so long as this notion prevails untouchability will prevail.
Having explained my views on general questions regarding interpretations
and connotations of the system of untouchability, I proceed to offer some
remarks on the question of the population of depressed classes in the three
Provinces in which there is no unanimity of opinion.
II. Depressed Classes in United Provinces
5. Regarding the population of the depressed classes in the United Provinces
five different estimates have been given to the Committee—
(1) estimate of the United Provinces Provincial Franchise Committee ;
(2) estimate given by Mr. Blunt in his note ;
(3) estimate given by the Census Commissioner;
(4) two estimates given by the Government of the United Provinces.
I make the following observations on these estimates :
6. I agree that Mr. Blunt’s note carries great authority with it. It is based
on the facts which came into his possession as a Census Superintendent
for United Provinces in 1911. It has the added weight of the opinion of an
informal Committee of non-official Hindus which I am told was appointed by
the United Provinces Government to examine the correctness of the lists of
untouchable castes in United Provinces drawn up by Mr. Blunt in his first
draft. All the same I differ from Mr. Blunt in the following particulars :
( i) One is that Mr. Blunt has divided the three following single
communities into two dichotomous sections, one touchable and the
other untouchable :
Touchable Untouchable
(1) Bhoksa group .. 30,000 19,028
(2) Kori group .. 154,867 775,839
(3) Chamar group .. 2,000,000 4,187,770
( ii) The second point of difference is that he treats the Arakh group
whose population is 110,032 as touchable when as a matter of fact
that group forms a part of the Pasi community which is undoubtedly
an untouchable community.
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My contention is that the procedure adopted by Mr. Blunt is not in
accordance with facts and is not warranted by the fundamental theory of
Hindu social life. That the Kori group is simply a part of the Chamar group
and as such is wholly an untouchable group is borne out by the views of
Mr. Blunt himself as expressed by him in the report of the United Provinces
Census of 1911 of which he was the Superintendent. I rely on the remarks
made by him in paragraph 347 of the Census Report of 1911 where he has
discussed the connection of the Kori to the Chamar. On the same Report
he makes the following observations :
“The relation between Kori and Chamar has already been referred to above.
In Gorakhpur it appears to be closer still and it is said that there are no Koris
there save Kori Chamars The Kori Chamar however drops the Chamar and tries
to pass himself off as a Kori pure and simple, or even by slurring the word to
make it sound like Koiri. A Khalasi in Gorakhpur district was severely beaten
by the rest of his Hindu fellow servants for playing this trick and making them
take water from his hands.”
Regarding the Arakh group Mr. Blunt himself admits in his note that
“as a whole these castes appear to be off-shoots of the important Pasi
tribe” which he has treated as untouchable. Coming to the Chamar group
Mr. Blunt’s reasons for excluding 2 million Chamars from the category of
untouchables are given by him on page 17 of his note. He says : “Oh the
other hand many Chamars have taken to cleaner occupations such as those
of saddler (zingar), cobbler (mochi), groom (syce) while the extension of the
leather trade at Cawnpore and elsewhere has enabled many Chamars to
become wealthy when they aim at social status much higher than that of
their village brethren. Such Chamars are generally regarded as touchables
and many change the caste name for something less ill-sounding, for instance,
Koril, Aharwar, Jatiya, Dhusiya and especially Jaiswar.” In my opinion to
exclude, as Mr. Blunt has done, such Chamars as have taken to cleaner
occupations or have become wealthy from the category of untouchables
is a totally erroneous view. One of the characteristics of the system of
untouchability and also of the caste system is that the social status of the
individual rises or falls with that of the community to which he belongs. Once
an untouchable always an untouchable has been the rule of Hindu social
life. This is its cardinal feature and it is this which distinguishes it from the
class system in which the social status of the individual rises or falls not
with that of the community to which he belongs but with his own personal
merits and demerits. Having regard to this fundamental and basic principle
of Hindu social life, the division made by Mr. Blunt that some members of an
admittedly untouchable caste are touchable must be discarded Indeed it is a
contradiction in terms and does not seem to be in accord With the facts. It is
not true that sections of the Chamar caste mentioned by Mr. Blunt have been
ted as touchable or allowed to enter temples or draw water from public
wel . On the contrary, they have invented, according to Mr. Blunt’s own
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statement, new names for themselves to avoid being treated as untouchables.
Mr. Blunt himself gives instances of this in his Census Report for the United
Provinces for 1911. I quote the following extract from Part I :
“A Jaiswar Chamar in the same way will never admit he is a Chamar but tries
to pass his caste off as Jaiswar alone, a sub-caste of so many castes including
Rajput. A syce once tried the trick on me and in Tundla in Agra district. I
found a whole colony of Jaiswars who on enquiry proved to be descendants of
Chamar regimental syces who had settled there.”
If my contentions are accepted and if that part of the population of the
untouchable communities which Mr. Blunt has treated as touchable is added
to the total of untouchables then Mr. Blum’s figures for untouchables in the
United Provinces come to 11,476,214.
7. The Census Commissioner’s estimate of the population of the depressed
classes is 12.6 millions, and even if a stricter computation was followed and
only ‘list A’ which includes untouchables only was accepted the population of
depressed classes so understood would come up to a little over 11 millions—a
figure which very nearly agrees with that of Mr. Blunt.
8. The Government of the United Provinces has given two sets of estimates.
In its first report it gave the figure of 6,773,814. In its final report it agreed
with the Provincial Committee that the population of castes which fell within
the definition of causing pollution by touch came to only 459,000. Regarding
the estimate of 6,773,814 given in its first report it is necessary to point out
that this estimate is not an estimate of the population of untouchables in
the United Provinces. So far as that point is concerned the Government of
the United Provinces seem tacitly to accept the figures given by Mr. Blunt
in his Note. The estimate of 6,773,814 given by the U. P. Government is an
estimate of people who in its opinion require to be recognised for political
protection. The merits of this procedure I have discussed below. All that I wish
to do here is to repeat that this estimate of the U. P. Government is not an
estimate of the total population of untouchables as such. The only comment I
wish to make on the estimate given by the United Provinces Government in
its final report is to place beside it the estimate which it gave to the Simon
Commission In their note on the position of the depressed classes which is
printed as an addendum at the end of their memorandum to the Statutory
Commission they said : “Of the total Hindu population of the province nearly
one-third, that is almost thirteen millions are regarded by orthodox Hindus
as untouchables. A list of castes classed as untouchable, extracted from the
U. P. Census Report of 1901, with the population of each is appended to this
note....... The social impurity attaching to the untouchable castes merely implies
that a man of high caste will not take food or water from an untouchable,
and if he touches or comes in close contact with such a person he must wash
before eating or even before mixing with persons of higher castes.” It is clear
from this that on the 16th of May 1928, on which the memorandum was